10/10/2020 14:22:26 PM Frank Kingswood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dise2HRakZ4 10/10/2020 14:26:35 PM Godwin Stewart: http://techy.horwits.com/2017/07/calculator-collection.html 10/10/2020 14:34:56 PM HPCC: Timetable at http://hpcc.org/conferences/index.html 10/10/2020 14:36:47 PM Dan Johnson: @Godwin that is quite a collection you have there! 10/10/2020 14:44:30 PM HPCC: There is chat on YouTube as well as here. 10/10/2020 14:52:41 PM gene wright: Thanks to HPCC for putting this on. 10/10/2020 15:04:22 PM Edward Shore: Good to be here - virtually 10/10/2020 15:08:57 PM Dejan Ristanovic: Nice to be here 10/10/2020 15:12:34 PM Roger Hill: I don't have a camera, but is there a way to put on a still image in my square? 10/10/2020 15:16:40 PM Frank Kingswood: @Roger that does not seem to be available, sadly. 10/10/2020 15:17:13 PM HPCC: I think you have to have a Webex login and then you can do it on the website IIRC 10/10/2020 15:20:36 PM Jonathan Cameron: Amazing work Eric! 10/10/2020 15:21:02 PM Godwin Stewart: Seconded! It must be a real time sink doing this! 10/10/2020 15:21:20 PM Will Marchant: Thanks for managing this, Eric! 10/10/2020 15:21:37 PM Edward Shore: Eric, you are amazing - thank you 10/10/2020 15:22:26 PM gene wright: Yes, Bravo Eric ! 10/10/2020 15:22:47 PM Will Marchant: Speaking of archives, does anyone happen to have the AMSAT ORBIT I and ORBIT II satellite tracking software for the HP-41C? 10/10/2020 15:22:51 PM John Struthers: Yes, this is amazing ... Thank you Eric. 10/10/2020 15:23:15 PM Dan Johnson: This is an astonishing legacy to assemble, a monumental effort. 10/10/2020 15:23:24 PM HPCC: John S. you need to send Eric the HP Queensferry mag ;-) 10/10/2020 15:23:32 PM Brian Walsh: Staggering collection 10/10/2020 15:24:10 PM Felix Gross: Thanks Eric 10/10/2020 15:24:21 PM Matthias Wehrli: Amazing web site archive! 10/10/2020 15:25:21 PM Felix Gross: This is Great! 10/10/2020 15:25:52 PM HPCC: https://literature.hpcalc.org 10/10/2020 15:25:59 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Awesome, Eric!! Thanks so much!! 10/10/2020 15:26:56 PM Felix Gross: Works like a charm. 10/10/2020 15:27:52 PM Edward Shore: Worth the $$ 10/10/2020 15:28:37 PM Olivier: Amazing !!! 10/10/2020 15:29:31 PM Matthias Wehrli: Yes, worth the money for Erics work! Is it possible to get the conent without buying a USB-Sick? 10/10/2020 15:29:53 PM Will Marchant: Could you talk about why a hyphen is sometimes used in the calculator name and sometimes just a space, please? 10/10/2020 15:30:37 PM Godwin Stewart: It looks like HP simply dropped the hyphen at some point. 10/10/2020 15:31:13 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Looks like an excellent question for Wlodek, no? 10/10/2020 15:31:30 PM Wlodek M-J: Matthias, you can download it from Eric's site, but that is 80Gb of downloading, and it takes up Eric's bandwidth. 10/10/2020 15:32:24 PM Wlodek M-J: I could make a whole presentation on hyphens or not - it depended largely on HP marketing people and what they thought at different times. 10/10/2020 15:32:47 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Count me in on that, Wlodek! 😂 10/10/2020 15:32:49 PM Eric Rechlin: Matthias, yes, nearly everything is available for free download (except Jake's PPC DVD collection). Bandwidth is no longer a concern, but server load can be (so that means you can download anything you want manually, but please don't use a tool to scrape things). Torrents are also available of most material, which is probably easiest. 10/10/2020 15:33:37 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Where would I find those torrent files, Eric? 10/10/2020 15:33:47 PM Eric Rechlin: https://www.hpcalc.org/torrents/ 10/10/2020 15:34:02 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Thx! 👍👍 10/10/2020 15:34:11 PM Edward Shore: Correct me if I am incorrect, but I noticed that the earlier models had all capital letters in their names, now they have lower case names. HP 10B -> HP 10bii 10/10/2020 15:34:27 PM Eric Rechlin: But please wait until after the confernence to download because my home computer is seeding them and I have very limited upstream bandwidth, until other people can start seeding them more 10/10/2020 15:34:38 PM Wlodek M-J: That's right - again, a marketing thing. 10/10/2020 15:34:46 PM Bruce Bergman: Eric, it looks like you're also archiving still-online sites. Would you like to add wiki4hp.com to your collection? I can send you recent dumps of the wiki, or whatever you might need... 10/10/2020 15:34:50 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Sure, Eric, no prob. Will wait. 10/10/2020 15:35:01 PM Eric Rechlin: Yes, HP used to use hyphens and uppercase letters, then dropped the hyphens in the late 1980s I think, and then switched to lowercase letters in the early 2000s 10/10/2020 15:35:34 PM Eric Rechlin: Bruce, yes, I can do that if you would like a backup, and to have it incorporated on the drive! 10/10/2020 15:35:39 PM Mark Hardman: Eric, here 10/10/2020 15:36:25 PM Bruce Bergman: Cool, I'll get in touch via email after the conf. Thanks! 10/10/2020 15:36:57 PM Dan Johnson: I believe along with the space vs. hyphen issue is the use (or not) of an "A" suffix. 10/10/2020 15:37:29 PM Mark Hardman: Eric, here's the MoHPC thread for "Learning to use the HP-65 Training Videos" https://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-6923.html. The top post has a link for downloading the videos. 10/10/2020 15:37:44 PM Eric Rechlin: Wasn't the A mostly something added by the community and not an official HP thing? 10/10/2020 15:45:10 PM Philippe Lasnier: Thanks Dan - I'm not sure I've got the latest version; I installed it a few weeks back when Mark set up the HPCC2020. I think I'll live with it for now - I don't want to drop off! 10/10/2020 15:45:52 PM HPCC: The next talk starts at 16:00 local time if you want to dare installing the new version 10/10/2020 15:45:58 PM Andras Cser: Awesome work, Jake and Eric! Thank you for doing this :) 10/10/2020 15:46:09 PM Will Marchant: http://pahhc.org/ppccdrom.htm 10/10/2020 15:47:04 PM Philippe Lasnier: Yes Mark, I might do that during the break. As for Eric and Jake's work, I add my voice: this is awesome! 10/10/2020 15:48:21 PM Stefan Wolfrum: btw, is there a Slack team/group where you guys & other (HP) calculator enthusiasts hang out and chat? 10/10/2020 15:49:10 PM HPCC: Not as far as I'm aware, but it is perhaps something we should do. 10/10/2020 15:50:14 PM Philippe Lasnier: Good idea, but unless we/someone pays for Slack, it's going to be limited (channel history etc.) 10/10/2020 15:50:17 PM Stefan Wolfrum: I'm on a Slack group for/with the Apple Newton fans and like it a lot. 10/10/2020 15:50:55 PM Eric Rechlin: Discord is a possibility going forward. At present all we have is an IRC channel (#HP48 on EFnet) but it's basically dead now 10/10/2020 15:51:08 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Well, we could start with the free version and see how far it can bring us ... 🤷‍♂️ 10/10/2020 15:51:18 PM Philippe Lasnier: +1 10/10/2020 15:51:24 PM Dan Johnson: I've seen other valuable technical info from the past disappearing as web sites were abandoned for one reason or another – a hazard of the web. The internet archive helps but requires a lot of effort to recover things, and that's piecemeal. What Jake, Eric, and others in this community are doing are why this stuff refuses to die. I am really grateful for that. 10/10/2020 15:51:44 PM Edward Shore: Is Discord another social media site? I thought it was for video games (primarily). 10/10/2020 15:51:55 PM Eric Rechlin: Discord is very similar to Slack but it's free 10/10/2020 15:52:17 PM Frank Kingswood: There is any number of chat apps available 10/10/2020 15:52:17 PM Edward Shore: 8:00 AM Pacific Time, 11:00 AM Eastern Time 10/10/2020 15:52:21 PM Ray Rischpater: Yeah. We use it to manage a medium-sized open source project at work, and it works pretty well. 10/10/2020 15:52:44 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Ed, it's server based, afaik. So if you want to offer a "group" on Discord you'll have to setup a Discord server somewhere. Am I right? 10/10/2020 15:52:57 PM Frank Kingswood: I use https://element.io/ for group chats 10/10/2020 15:53:10 PM Stefan Wolfrum: And: it's no longer for video game folks anymore. It's more or less general purpose now. 10/10/2020 15:53:33 PM Walter Bonin: We have at least two fora to hang around, one in Switzerland and one in the USA. 10/10/2020 15:54:20 PM gene wright: If I need to do so, how do i mute ONLY the Webex app ? 10/10/2020 15:54:31 PM gene wright: Not mute me, but the app 10/10/2020 15:54:32 PM Stefan Wolfrum: @Walter: two Discord servers? 10/10/2020 15:54:52 PM Frank Kingswood: @Gene: in the menu Audio&Video 10/10/2020 15:55:11 PM Frank Kingswood: Speaker and Microphone settings 10/10/2020 15:55:36 PM gene wright: Yeah, that mutes the entire computer. May not be a way to mute only the webex app and not effect anything else 10/10/2020 15:56:23 PM Frank Kingswood: i can switch to other speaker (from use system setting) and can manages to mute it 10/10/2020 15:56:45 PM Philippe Lasnier: Discord and Slack are very similar in look & feel. Slack came first (2013). Some concepts are slightly different, like "servers" on Discord corresponding to "teams" on Slack. I think Slack is better, but that's my personal opinion, and I've used it far more. 10/10/2020 15:58:24 PM Jake Schwartz: My son turns 25 years old in December :-) 10/10/2020 15:59:35 PM Godwin Stewart: We use slack both in my usual day job and within SwissMicros. It's great to use but the down site is the cost if you want to use the paid version. I think the starter plan is £5.25 per user per month. Now imagine that there are even only 50 people using it regularly. That's already £3000/yr. 10/10/2020 15:59:44 PM Edward Shore: One Ryker was enough to handle 10/10/2020 16:00:18 PM Edward Shore: Yay DM41X time! 10/10/2020 16:01:01 PM Edward Shore: My goddaughter 10/10/2020 16:08:33 PM Edward Shore: Yes - Ryker as in Star Trek - commenting to a discussion during the break (talking about duplicating the characters). If anyone saw me saying good morning to during the break and to anyone who was going to ask who she is. 10/10/2020 16:14:25 PM HPCC: Meindert, where can we get MLDL2K download? 10/10/2020 16:16:12 PM Will Marchant: Is there a "best" place to get Angel's modules and documentation? 10/10/2020 16:20:07 PM mkuipers: Best place to get M2kM is from hp41.org. I am working on some updates, for a new beta please contact me directly 10/10/2020 16:21:29 PM Godwin Stewart: @Will Marchant -- Ángel's modules for the DM41X are available from https://technical.swissmicros.com/dm41x/fat/ 10/10/2020 16:21:29 PM HPCC: Mac version? ;-) 10/10/2020 16:22:35 PM mkuipers: No Mac Version for M2kM. Sources are availalable, so good luck with that 10/10/2020 16:24:36 PM Brian Walsh: The modern version of PAM 10/10/2020 16:27:17 PM Godwin Stewart: They are the latest versions. Ángel e-mailed them to me only a few days ago. I don't know about documentation, however. There must be some somewhere. I'll ask Ángel. Can you e-mail me at godwin@swissmicros.com to let me have your e-mail address? 10/10/2020 16:28:17 PM gene wright: Usually, I have found Angel's manuals at Monte's site: 10/10/2020 16:28:18 PM gene wright: http://www.systemyde.com/hp41/documents.html 10/10/2020 16:28:36 PM gene wright: Although there are often version differences between the latest rom version and the manual. 10/10/2020 16:29:08 PM Godwin Stewart: Those documents may well be valid for these modules. The only reason they're up on the SwissMicros site is because they are patched to work with the DM41X. 10/10/2020 16:29:26 PM gene wright: thumbs up 10/10/2020 16:29:39 PM Andras Cser: +1 10/10/2020 16:39:33 PM Edward Shore: And to see how much room I have left 10/10/2020 16:39:42 PM Edward Shore: The ROM Map is useful 10/10/2020 16:40:32 PM HPCC: And following our discussion last night, hopefully it might get enhanced to show XROM numbers. 10/10/2020 16:40:59 PM Stefan Wolfrum: How many of you already own a DM41X? 😳 10/10/2020 16:41:22 PM Edward Shore: I have one - received earlier this week 10/10/2020 16:41:24 PM gene wright: me 10/10/2020 16:41:26 PM Ray Rischpater: Beta unit S/N 25; awaiting a final unit I ordered last week. 10/10/2020 16:41:29 PM Will Marchant: I have a beta and a production copy. 10/10/2020 16:41:30 PM Mark Hardman: Mark H 10/10/2020 16:41:36 PM martin macrae: Have DM41X 10/10/2020 16:41:40 PM Godwin Stewart: I have an alpha, beta and production unit 10/10/2020 16:41:49 PM HPCC: SN 246 is on my desk 10/10/2020 16:42:11 PM Craig Bladow: beta 26 10/10/2020 16:42:25 PM Felix Gross: SN874 doing fine here 10/10/2020 16:42:32 PM Matthias Wehrli: Beta 63 10/10/2020 16:43:03 PM Olivier: Beta 98 10/10/2020 16:43:30 PM Jim Wild: Beta 52 10/10/2020 16:43:31 PM Matthias Wehrli: Does it makes sence to have a Beta and a production run? Is the hardware that different? 10/10/2020 16:44:22 PM Stefan Wolfrum: #sigh ... guess I "have to" order one, too now. I'm kind of feeling left out. 😂 10/10/2020 16:44:31 PM Mark Hardman: The keyboard is much better on the production DM41x. 10/10/2020 16:44:40 PM Godwin Stewart: @Matthias -- the keyboard hardware is radically different 10/10/2020 16:45:20 PM Felix Gross: This machine is truly great. Playing with modules is fun. I used the PPC ROM after a very long time and it work perfectly 10/10/2020 16:45:24 PM Godwin Stewart: The beta units' keyboard was too soft and mushy and the keys weren't tall enough. 10/10/2020 16:46:17 PM Godwin Stewart: That was corrected for the production units, and new DM42 units leaving Zürich also have the new keyboard. 10/10/2020 16:46:36 PM Stefan Wolfrum: But how do you guys feel about having a large screen and not being able to graph a function? You really don't want that? Really "just" an HP-41 "emulator"? 10/10/2020 16:47:21 PM Stefan Wolfrum: (Maybe I'm looking for a DM48 here ... 🤷‍♂️) 10/10/2020 16:47:26 PM Godwin Stewart: There are no graphics primitives to expand on in the 41CX so adding graphics functions wasn't possible. 10/10/2020 16:47:44 PM Walter Bonin: The 41 has a lot of fond supporters... 10/10/2020 16:47:47 PM Felix Gross: For graphing I would use Mathematica or a Prime. This is a real RPN calculator and is woth the money 10/10/2020 16:47:56 PM Andras Cser: Graphics is for the weak :) 10/10/2020 16:48:09 PM mkuipers: beta #48 here 10/10/2020 16:48:19 PM Andras Cser: Or use sagemath.org or GNU Octave 10/10/2020 16:48:26 PM Joey Shepard: Just curious, is the 41 ROM one of the ones HP doesn't mind being distributed? 10/10/2020 16:49:22 PM Godwin Stewart: I think HP would have wanted to have a chat with SwissMicros a while ago if it was :) They know what we're using them for. 10/10/2020 16:49:23 PM Walter Bonin: People do graphic on the DM42. 10/10/2020 16:49:54 PM Godwin Stewart: Correction: if it *wasn't* 10/10/2020 16:50:20 PM HPCC: How do you get a screen dump again? Missed that 10/10/2020 16:50:36 PM Godwin Stewart: Hold down Shift and hit DSP 10/10/2020 16:50:42 PM HPCC: Thanks 10/10/2020 16:50:52 PM Walter Bonin: Use a 43S and press SNAP. 10/10/2020 16:50:59 PM Godwin Stewart: You'll then find a bitmap in /SCREENS/ 10/10/2020 16:52:02 PM Edward Shore: Any way to see the screen shots within the 41X? 10/10/2020 16:52:26 PM Godwin Stewart: No, you have to view them on a computer connected to the 41X 10/10/2020 16:53:19 PM Andras Cser: Does the 41X come with a printed manual? 10/10/2020 16:53:53 PM Godwin Stewart: Not printed but available online. I believe a PDF is generated from the help file and you can print that off. 10/10/2020 16:54:02 PM Andras Cser: Thanks! 10/10/2020 16:54:16 PM Godwin Stewart: https://technical.swissmicros.com/dm41x/doc/dm41x_user_manual.pdf 10/10/2020 16:55:06 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Is there any special reason why the DM42/WP43S/DM41X screenshots are in (very old and Windows based) BMP format? Why not use PNG for example? 😳 That way they could be immediately used on the web ... 10/10/2020 16:55:43 PM Godwin Stewart: 1) There isn't room for the compression libraries in the calculator 10/10/2020 16:55:51 PM Godwin Stewart: 2) bmp can be used in web pages 10/10/2020 16:56:15 PM Andras Cser: What's the best place to get .MOD files from? hp41.org? 10/10/2020 16:56:21 PM Jackie Woldering: Anyone else order a DM41X release version (after 9/26 announcement) and receive it yet? SwissMicros said that they shipped to me in USA on 9/30 but have not seen it as of yesterday's mail. 10/10/2020 16:56:29 PM Godwin Stewart: The bitmap files are 1-bit depth and about 12Kb in size. 10/10/2020 16:56:56 PM HPCC: Fabulous! 10/10/2020 16:58:55 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Thanks, Godwin! 10/10/2020 16:59:21 PM Godwin Stewart: @Jackie -- many people in the US have indeed received theirs already. Send me an e-mail at godwin@swissmicros.com if you haven't had yours by the end of next week. 10/10/2020 17:00:12 PM Jackie Woldering: Godwin, is there any Delivery Confirmation or similar tracking number available for International Shipping? 10/10/2020 17:01:23 PM Godwin Stewart: I'm afraid not. The number of problems that occur really don't justify the much higher expense. 10/10/2020 17:01:37 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Although I don't know any webserver that supports BMP out-of-the-box. GIF, PNG, JPG and SVG are the image formats in the web standard. 🤷‍♂️ 10/10/2020 17:01:52 PM Jackie Woldering: OK, I will be patient and wait for DM41X. 10/10/2020 17:01:59 PM Godwin Stewart: Support for the image format happens client-side, not server-side 10/10/2020 17:02:35 PM Dan Johnson: Awesome presentation, thank you Bob! 10/10/2020 17:02:44 PM Edward Shore: Thank you Bob! 10/10/2020 17:02:55 PM Stefan Wolfrum: So Safari CAN handle BMP files? Have to try that! Didn't know. 10/10/2020 17:03:00 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Thx again. 10/10/2020 17:03:01 PM Godwin Stewart: @Stefan -- the image imported here is in .bmp format: https://forum.swissmicros.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2360 10/10/2020 17:03:12 PM Will Marchant: Any news on a keyboard upgrade for the DM41X beta units? 10/10/2020 17:03:22 PM Philippe Lasnier: Thanks Bob for the presentation! 10/10/2020 17:03:25 PM Felix Gross: Bob, you captured the machine really well. 10/10/2020 17:03:51 PM David Hayden: Bob, is there a way to view user key assignments bexides the catalog? 10/10/2020 17:04:02 PM Stefan Wolfrum: @Godwin: isn't that because the forum software allowed to import it and converted it? Haven't reverse engineered the traffic yet. 10/10/2020 17:04:37 PM Godwin Stewart: No conversion happens at all. It's a .bmp being displayed. 10/10/2020 17:06:03 PM HPCC: That has to be the worst calculator death ever! 10/10/2020 17:06:20 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Yes, just inspected the traffic and saw that the webserver sent a BMP file indeed. Great! Learned something new! 👍 10/10/2020 17:06:24 PM Godwin Stewart: What about the piranhas, did they survive? :) 10/10/2020 17:09:09 PM Jackie Woldering: I suspect that the piranhas survived and multiplied! 10/10/2020 17:12:14 PM Jim Wild: yes we can see your cursor 10/10/2020 17:18:33 PM HPCC: Are they what the old Casios used? 10/10/2020 17:18:38 PM Godwin Stewart: Yup 10/10/2020 17:18:56 PM Philippe Lasnier: Got a few calcs with them. They're great. 10/10/2020 17:19:19 PM HPCC: v3 = Rip apart an old Casio and use the display :-) 10/10/2020 17:22:46 PM Eric Smith: Very nice work! 10/10/2020 17:23:50 PM Andras Cser: Unbelievable creativity and great execution! Very nice work, congrats! :) 10/10/2020 17:24:46 PM Eric Smith: Some of us think that programming HP calculators from the keyboard _is_ fun. :-) 10/10/2020 17:25:37 PM Walter Bonin: Depends - not with key codes 10/10/2020 17:25:39 PM Eric Smith: Definitely the right editor. You can't spell evil without "vi". 10/10/2020 17:25:56 PM Eric Rechlin: Some of us just use nano... 10/10/2020 17:25:58 PM Bob Prosperi: Amazing amount of work, thanks for sharing this here. Beautiful documentation too. 10/10/2020 17:26:04 PM Godwin Stewart: "Emacs is a great operating system let down by a poor editor" :) 10/10/2020 17:26:12 PM HPCC: Eric S... I have an eject button ;-) 10/10/2020 17:26:38 PM Joey Shepard: Awesome project! This is really neat 10/10/2020 17:27:04 PM Eric Smith: Running a 20 MHz Z80 with no wait states requires negative memory access time. Since non-causal memory is very expensive, at least one wait state is required. 10/10/2020 17:27:12 PM Walter Bonin: Very good looking keyboard 10/10/2020 17:27:22 PM Bob Prosperi: Emacs?? Real men use TECO! 10/10/2020 17:28:06 PM Jim Horn: Not Teletype Model 029 keypunch? 10/10/2020 17:28:06 PM Bruce Bergman: Loved TECO! Or EDT :) 10/10/2020 17:28:27 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Awesome project, Eric!! Really enjoyed watching your presentation! I envy your skills! 👍👍 10/10/2020 17:29:21 PM Jim Horn: HP-25. Z80. Assembly. VFDs. Cherry keys with clear keycaps. Excellent! 10/10/2020 17:29:52 PM Edward Shore: I like the large desktop design 10/10/2020 17:32:09 PM Eric Smith: I also used an HP-2000 TIme Shared Basic system in 1977-1978. 10/10/2020 17:32:46 PM Dan Johnson: HP/2000 E, F, Access, and HP/3000 MPE II here in 1975-1978. 10/10/2020 17:35:30 PM Eric Smith: A friend at work build a video switching product that used those OLED-display keys to select video sources, and showed a live thumbnail of each video input on the buttons. 10/10/2020 17:36:57 PM Eric Smith: We had HP-2000 Access and HP-2000C', but when the drum storage broke on the 2000C', HP couldn't fix it, so they "upgraded" the system to 2000F, which was the same as C' but without the drum. 10/10/2020 17:37:39 PM Eric Smith: I wrote a 6502 cross assembler that ran on 2000 Access. 10/10/2020 17:37:49 PM Bruce: Tempted to try a thin overlay on top of a Mac trackpad! 10/10/2020 17:39:05 PM gene wright: RPEntry - good name 10/10/2020 17:39:58 PM Andras Cser: So cool. 10/10/2020 17:41:49 PM HPCC: That's so nice! 10/10/2020 17:42:22 PM HPCC: Shocker 10/10/2020 17:43:16 PM Andras Cser: Pretty good compared to the HP Prime still 10/10/2020 17:43:48 PM Walter Bonin: This is a great design 10/10/2020 17:48:56 PM gene wright: I'm still astounded that a "user" can develop something like this today. I understand it is now 45+ years since the HP-25 etc. were designed and built, but technology for the masses is really here! 10/10/2020 17:50:09 PM Andras Cser: Much less impediments to creativity for sure 10/10/2020 17:50:16 PM HPCC: Michael needs to show this to Apple :-) 10/10/2020 17:50:50 PM Edward Shore: Smart design. I like the ENTER/END number entry mechanism. 10/10/2020 17:51:17 PM Dan Johnson: Ingenious. 10/10/2020 17:52:29 PM Andras Cser: Nice big buttons 10/10/2020 17:52:41 PM Joey Shepard: Really cool project! 10/10/2020 17:52:50 PM Andras Cser: There is a lot of potential in this: people with acessibility issues, etc. 10/10/2020 17:53:01 PM Andras Cser: Nice contrasty keys, etc. 10/10/2020 17:53:10 PM Eric Smith: "Give it to me straight, doctor. Don't sugar-coat it." - Calculon 10/10/2020 17:56:08 PM Eric Smith: Superb! 10/10/2020 17:56:10 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Awesome, Michael!! 10/10/2020 17:56:19 PM Jackie Woldering: Great work! 10/10/2020 17:56:26 PM Tom Mullikin: very clever!! 10/10/2020 17:56:30 PM Walter Bonin: Very good! 10/10/2020 17:57:53 PM Andras Cser: You could always display multiple labels on the same key. 10/10/2020 17:58:12 PM Andras Cser: Or make it optionally switchable 10/10/2020 17:58:49 PM Dan Johnson: Being able to completely change the "personality" of the device (e.g. "a hex calculator", "a financial one", "a stats one") would reduce the need to display all possible functions on the keyboard at once. 10/10/2020 17:59:05 PM Roger Hill: Very interesting! I guess the way you programmed the ENTER key, you don't have to have "stack list disable", which had caused some confusion with regular RPN. 10/10/2020 17:59:15 PM Dan Johnson: (particularly if you could retain storage and stack contents while changing "personalities") 10/10/2020 18:00:10 PM Walter Bonin: Should read "stack lift disable" ... 10/10/2020 18:00:20 PM Wlodek M-J: When HP were first designing a successor to the HP-12C, one idea they considered was a keyboard that would change the display on the keys. They gave up, both because there was no affordable way to do it, and because printed keys were fine, as was just said today. But it is brilliant that you have done what they wanted so long ago. 10/10/2020 18:01:42 PM Roger Hill: Oops, my typo! "Stack lift disable"! 10/10/2020 18:03:33 PM Jim Horn: Still far finer battery life than the original Woodstocks or others of that era! 10/10/2020 18:20:33 PM Joey Shepard: Michael, great project! Are you using two propeller chips in the calculator? 10/10/2020 18:22:40 PM mpark: Yes, one as FPU, one as main controller. 10/10/2020 18:26:28 PM gene wright: Sure would be GREAT to have overlays for the modules by Angel - aka SandMath, etc. 10/10/2020 18:26:53 PM Walter Bonin: Yes, these slits are documented in the WP43S Reference Manual. 10/10/2020 18:28:11 PM Jim Wild: I seem to have broken my DM41X help. when i hit CST then 1 for help, I get an ERROR while reading help file /HELP/41.HTML Is there a way i can fix this? 10/10/2020 18:31:40 PM gene wright: In the AOSX module for the DM-41X / 41CL, one of the utilities is the enhanced Catalog functions. CAT 6 shows all key assignments in key order with the assignment for RCL M for example, shown as RCL M. If you use that rom, that may be the easiest way to see the assignments. 10/10/2020 18:31:58 PM Jim Wild: I fixed it by copying https://technical.swissmicros.com/dm41x/fat/HELP/41.html to my DM41X's HELP dir. 10/10/2020 18:33:09 PM Craig Bladow: Thanks Jim, I had the same problem. 10/10/2020 18:37:36 PM Dan Johnson: I missed the G2, so thanks. 10/10/2020 18:38:12 PM Philippe Lasnier: What's happened to Eric Smith's "Math co-processors before the x86" at 18:30 (BST)? Am I looking at an old schedule? 10/10/2020 18:39:00 PM Bob Prosperi: Link for the DM41X/DM42 Keyboard overlay template' 10/10/2020 18:39:04 PM Bob Prosperi: https://technical.swissmicros.com/graphics/ 10/10/2020 18:39:13 PM Edward Shore: This is the current schedule (except for Cyrille) http://hpcc.org/conferences/index.html 10/10/2020 18:40:12 PM Philippe Lasnier: Thanks - I was looking at the one in the email that Mark sent a while back. 10/10/2020 18:41:05 PM Marc Staps: My free Trivia book which is on hpcalc.org list a lot of the different hardware versions of HP calculators. My emailadress is very outdated so I should make a "new" version available. Will do that. 10/10/2020 18:42:11 PM Godwin Stewart: Prime G2 is roughly 3x faster than earlier revisions. 10/10/2020 18:42:13 PM Godwin Stewart: https://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-11402.html 10/10/2020 18:49:43 PM Stefan Wolfrum: A while back I made a little YT video (in German but not much significant speech there 😂 ) where I compared an old TI nspire, a new TI nspire, the original Prime and the G2 Prime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGyJirniJ00 10/10/2020 18:50:37 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Jump to 6:40 for the result chart. 😉 10/10/2020 18:51:58 PM Godwin Stewart: Es gibt hier einige Mensche, die auch Deutsch können :) 10/10/2020 18:52:17 PM Stefan Wolfrum: (Of course, on a Prime, in CAS mode, you could build this sum immediately, I know.) 10/10/2020 18:53:27 PM Andras Cser: https://www.hpcalc.org/details/7703 10/10/2020 18:53:29 PM Dan Johnson: RPL forever! 10/10/2020 18:53:59 PM Marc Staps: Vielleicht kauf ich mir eine G2 für die Gästeklo ;-) 10/10/2020 18:54:37 PM Stefan Wolfrum: 😂 10/10/2020 18:54:51 PM Jan Terstegge: :D 10/10/2020 18:55:44 PM Dan Johnson: Vielen Dank an die Götter für Google Übersetzer! 10/10/2020 18:56:03 PM Godwin Stewart: :D 10/10/2020 19:02:11 PM Edward Shore: Mark: are the polygons in your program dynamic or did you have to create all the 69 polygons as separate graphic objects? 10/10/2020 19:03:41 PM Edward Shore: The HP Prime has an easier interface than the nSpire. 10/10/2020 19:04:02 PM Edward Shore: Can see the screen, no notes, Slyvain. 10/10/2020 19:06:54 PM Dan Johnson: Thanks @Edward, I'll take a look. 10/10/2020 19:07:40 PM Godwin Stewart: I've always found the nSpire really awkward with the concept of reducing everything to a "document". It doesn't make sense to my mind. 10/10/2020 19:11:37 PM Dan Johnson: Agree. nSpire:HP-50 is like Windows:Unix to me. The latter is far more powerful, flexible, and elegant. 10/10/2020 19:12:06 PM Eric Smith: The 1K limit was because the original HP-41 CMOS RAM chips only had 10-bit addressing. The 41 OS only supports 320 registers of "normal" user registers because compiled GTO/XEQ instructions don't have enough bits to store an offset that could span more registers. 10/10/2020 19:12:42 PM Eric Smith: Because of that limit, HP only used the registers at addresses over 511 for "Extended memory". 10/10/2020 19:34:25 PM HPCC: One thing I forgot to ask about DM41X... are all the mcode entry points in the mainframe in the same place? Similarly the time module? 10/10/2020 19:34:41 PM Godwin Stewart: As far as I know, they are. 10/10/2020 19:34:52 PM HPCC: Excellent 10/10/2020 19:35:09 PM Godwin Stewart: This is required for full compatibility with existing software in MCODE. 10/10/2020 19:50:33 PM Roger Hill: Re "Programmer Not Found" : YjsyJust avoid the message, "Programmer Executed".... :-) 10/10/2020 19:51:36 PM Wlodek M-J: Hi Roger - glad your sense of humo(u)r has not been erased. 10/10/2020 19:55:32 PM Bob Prosperi: @Mark - Yes, all 41X entry points are same as 41CX - it's the exact same ROM. :-) 10/10/2020 20:04:56 PM HPCC: Sylvain - great to see all the options for Clonix/NoV. Sorry to move so quickly. 10/10/2020 20:12:07 PM Jan Terstegge: There is GeoGebra too, I think its free 10/10/2020 20:12:47 PM Godwin Stewart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_algebra_systems 10/10/2020 20:16:15 PM Dan Johnson: I messed around with MACSYMA on MIT's DEC KL-10s in the mid-70s. Didn't know any calculus at the time, but it integrated and differentiated trancendentals. 10/10/2020 20:30:05 PM Ray Rischpater: Nicely done, Eddie! 10/10/2020 20:30:13 PM gene wright: Agreed! 10/10/2020 20:30:16 PM Edward Shore: No, I have not seen Hypercomplex numbers (yet) 10/10/2020 20:30:21 PM njr: great overview Eddie 10/10/2020 20:30:29 PM Edward Shore: Thank you! 10/10/2020 20:31:10 PM Bob Prosperi: Nice work Eddie, good wide covergae of the issues as well as the basic technology 10/10/2020 20:32:00 PM Edward Shore: Thank you, Bob 10/10/2020 20:32:47 PM Bruce: I'm sure I own half of them! 10/10/2020 20:33:12 PM mpark: Eddie, thanks for the intro to CAS. I have no CAS experience, so I learned a lot. 10/10/2020 20:34:23 PM Edward Shore: I have been looking foward to this presentation. 10/10/2020 20:34:37 PM Godwin Stewart: Bad calculator is one with an '=' key... 10/10/2020 20:34:38 PM Stefan Wolfrum: OMG – the 6S! 10/10/2020 20:34:58 PM Edward Shore: Purple on blue background - yikes! 10/10/2020 20:35:02 PM John Struthers: Aaaaargh! 10/10/2020 20:35:03 PM Eric Smith: HP hasn't made a "bad" calculator, only because the particularly bad HP calculators, like the 6s, weren't actually made by HP 10/10/2020 20:35:08 PM Dan Johnson: But such a pretty, shiny blue... 10/10/2020 20:35:29 PM Eric Smith: It was really hard to read the 6s keyboard shifted legends, at least for me. 10/10/2020 20:36:06 PM Eric Smith: x to the pi 10/10/2020 20:36:06 PM Will Marchant: Godwin, I think we're seeing an un-equal theme here! 10/10/2020 20:36:12 PM Bruce: But the 6S is "good" because it needs a shifted press to turn on - no danger of accidentally turning it on in your bag 10/10/2020 20:36:34 PM Tom Mullikin: Wow. No RPN with the 6s and some of the others. Acutally the 6s reminds me a LOT of my Bowmar MX-100 (which I DO miss a little bit!) 10/10/2020 20:37:03 PM Philippe Lasnier: That HP 8s is yours, isn't it Gene? 10/10/2020 20:37:23 PM Bruce: Noooo - you can't possibly include the 28C! 10/10/2020 20:37:26 PM Eric Smith: Nooooo! The 28C was awesome!!!! 10/10/2020 20:37:58 PM Eric Smith: The battery door not being quite robust enough was the only serious problem. 10/10/2020 20:38:01 PM Bruce: The alpha keyboard was great 10/10/2020 20:38:02 PM Eric Smith: Could have used more RAM, though. 10/10/2020 20:38:11 PM Eric Smith: Agreed on the alpha keyboard! 10/10/2020 20:38:17 PM Dan Johnson: NO! The 28C was AWESOME when it came out! But it was slooooow... (I had never used a 41 at that time, though.) 10/10/2020 20:38:17 PM Matthias Wehrli: The 19B had the same battery cover! 10/10/2020 20:38:24 PM Bruce: The baattery door on my original is still fine! 10/10/2020 20:38:25 PM Tom Mullikin: I remeber it! I have a buddy that it was the best thing in the world (to him). Was kind of novel. 10/10/2020 20:38:33 PM Andras Cser: And the HP 28S too 10/10/2020 20:38:45 PM Edward Shore: HP 18B also 10/10/2020 20:38:48 PM Eric Smith: I had several 28C, and I never noticed the keys were too stiff. 10/10/2020 20:38:58 PM njr: I have HP-18C and that battery cover yes is tricky design !!! 10/10/2020 20:39:24 PM Jonathan Cameron: Yes, I loved my HP 28s EXCEPT for the broken battery compartment door. 10/10/2020 20:39:24 PM Eric Smith: The traditional gold would have been better than plum, but plum wasn't as awful as e.g. green and purple 48GX. 10/10/2020 20:40:03 PM njr: First to have a Solver though 10/10/2020 20:40:52 PM HPCC: Solver in the HP-34C. First symbolic algebra in 28C? 10/10/2020 20:41:07 PM Edward Shore: I would say yes for the 28C 10/10/2020 20:41:07 PM Eric Smith: In 1973, a low end scientific programmable for $395 was inexpensive! 10/10/2020 20:42:12 PM Godwin Stewart: The 15C LE was absolute rubbish -- I agree! Full of bugs. 10/10/2020 20:42:15 PM Eric Smith: Agreed 15C LE wasn't nearly as good as the original 15C. I even offered to help with fixing firmware issues. 10/10/2020 20:42:15 PM Tom Mullikin: I bought that! 10/10/2020 20:42:24 PM Philippe Lasnier: I know it's sad, but I've got two 15C LEs ... that I've never opened. 10/10/2020 20:42:26 PM Bruce: I bought two! 10/10/2020 20:42:29 PM Ray Rischpater: I bought one and was tremendously disappointed. 10/10/2020 20:42:42 PM Bob Prosperi: Great investment!! Bad machine! 10/10/2020 20:42:43 PM Edward Shore: I bought two - sold one. 10/10/2020 20:43:10 PM Tom Mullikin: Yeah, the 15C LE showed me HP was slipping away. :( 10/10/2020 20:43:32 PM Godwin Stewart: And the HP 35s confirmed that, most likely. 10/10/2020 20:43:35 PM Guenter Schink: I got one as a door price, great value for someone else 10/10/2020 20:43:36 PM Eric Smith: The blinking bug is that the 15C blink timer ran autonomously, but the 15C LE blink timer reset every time the blink was turned on, which screwed it up. 10/10/2020 20:43:48 PM Eric Smith: The fix should have been easy. 10/10/2020 20:44:03 PM Edward Shore: I remember the PAUSE bug 10/10/2020 20:44:11 PM Stefan Wolfrum: I love my 15C LE. Never had any problems with it. Are the bugs documented anywhere? 10/10/2020 20:44:13 PM Eric Smith: It _was_ the original ROM. It's just the Nut emulator that's buggy. 10/10/2020 20:44:41 PM Tom Mullikin: Agreed (on the HP35s comment) I tried to look at it again -- poor documentation, I think. 10/10/2020 20:44:41 PM Godwin Stewart: @Stefan https://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/articles.cgi?read=1089 10/10/2020 20:45:07 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Ah, thanks Godwin! 10/10/2020 20:45:39 PM Godwin Stewart: @Stefan this too https://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv020.cgi?read=194099 10/10/2020 20:45:45 PM Bob Prosperi: But, the 1st version 12CP is the fastest 12CP by far. 10/10/2020 20:46:36 PM Edward Shore: I never used the HP 12CP in algebraic mode 10/10/2020 20:47:47 PM John Struthers: Drum Roll .... 10/10/2020 20:48:14 PM Bruce: Yay! 10/10/2020 20:48:15 PM John Struthers: A real stinker ... 10/10/2020 20:48:22 PM Matthias Wehrli: I vote for the HP49!!! 10/10/2020 20:48:33 PM Dan Johnson: How'd you get a pink one?! 10/10/2020 20:48:34 PM njr: why so many screws!!!!Really 10/10/2020 20:48:43 PM Joey Shepard: so it doesnt fall apart 10/10/2020 20:48:43 PM Eric Smith: There were three different colors! 10/10/2020 20:48:54 PM Dan Johnson: I ended up with silver. Yuck. 10/10/2020 20:48:56 PM Tom Mullikin: I'd put one on my refrigerator. 10/10/2020 20:48:58 PM Edward Shore: It's not even solar powered! 10/10/2020 20:49:05 PM Andras Cser: omg 10/10/2020 20:49:11 PM Bob Prosperi: Machine says model is "HP-10", but the package says it's "HP-01" 10/10/2020 20:49:16 PM Joey Shepard: can I get a magnet with just the hp logo and no crappy calculator attached? 10/10/2020 20:49:18 PM Eric Smith: They wanted to make it lunar powered, but couldn't get that to work. 10/10/2020 20:49:35 PM Philippe Lasnier: It's actually in my kitchen (on the fridge, obviously)! Don't really care that it's HP-branded; it's quite handy in the kitchen ;-) 10/10/2020 20:49:35 PM Stefan Wolfrum: I vote for the HP 38G! 10/10/2020 20:49:40 PM Edward Shore: No square root 10/10/2020 20:50:18 PM Philippe Lasnier: Yes, but I can't stick a "real" HP calc on my fridge! 10/10/2020 20:50:19 PM Eric Smith: Here's a nickel, kid. Get a real calculator. 10/10/2020 20:50:35 PM Matthias Wehrli: YeAAAAAAA! 10/10/2020 20:50:42 PM Dan Johnson: HORRIBLE KEYS! 10/10/2020 20:50:48 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Yes, the 49G was a pain in the butt! 10/10/2020 20:50:50 PM Eric Smith: Where's the 33s? Worst keyboard EVAR! 10/10/2020 20:51:05 PM Philippe Lasnier: Yep, definitively the HP 49G gets my vote :-). 10/10/2020 20:51:09 PM Jim Horn: Frozen Hamster Butt! 10/10/2020 20:51:15 PM Godwin Stewart: Frozen Hamster Butt :) 10/10/2020 20:51:16 PM Tom Mullikin: I agree the 33 was bad (tho' I bought and still have one! 10/10/2020 20:51:48 PM Matthias Wehrli: Have you ever seen the color of the Protos? 10/10/2020 20:51:53 PM Dan Johnson: The 49g made the 49g+ look good, so there's that. 10/10/2020 20:51:54 PM Edward Shore: And I thought my 49g+ was terrible 10/10/2020 20:52:21 PM martin macrae: min e49G is a lot better looking thant that! 10/10/2020 20:52:22 PM Sylvain Cote: dx 10/10/2020 20:52:27 PM Frank Kingswood: Real life demonstration of Benford's law 10/10/2020 20:52:27 PM Dan Johnson: The fridge magnet doesn't even count as a calculator, so.... 10/10/2020 20:52:40 PM Eric Smith: In an election you can write in a candidate not on the ballot! 10/10/2020 20:53:20 PM Jim Horn: '49G. I gave mine away but still have a QuickCalc 10/10/2020 20:53:56 PM martin macrae: 49 G is not a bad machine, nothing worn off, still works after 10 years, 10/10/2020 20:54:14 PM Dan Johnson: The 49G because you *wanted* it to work. 10/10/2020 20:54:14 PM Tom Mullikin: I also have a pretty crappy 30s 10/10/2020 20:54:22 PM Matthias Wehrli: The protos are in light blue ;((((( 10/10/2020 20:54:24 PM Philippe Lasnier: Maybe it depends on how oily your fingers are. 10/10/2020 20:54:24 PM martin macrae: Quick calc was bubble packages for a bout $10 10/10/2020 20:54:32 PM Dan Johnson: Bet the 33s is in the dishonorable mention list. 10/10/2020 20:55:05 PM Guenter Schink: I think QuickCalc doesn't count at all 10/10/2020 20:55:32 PM Chuck McCord: case of 20 quickcalcs on ebay new for $49.99 10/10/2020 20:55:51 PM Stefan Wolfrum: What about the 300s? Not very nice, either! 10/10/2020 20:56:00 PM Bruce: 38 & 39G had Aplets - nice idea but hard to write your own. 10/10/2020 20:56:43 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Oh, I really love the 35S! Disagree here! 10/10/2020 20:57:01 PM Dan Johnson: The 35s is my throw-around calculator! Disagree on that one.. 10/10/2020 20:57:02 PM Bruce: 33S had that weird chevron key layout 10/10/2020 20:57:24 PM Tom Mullikin: Cheveron Keys were really strange! 10/10/2020 20:57:32 PM Philippe Lasnier: The HP 35s would have been great were it not for the keys which didn't always register. 10/10/2020 20:57:45 PM Dan Johnson: I would appreciate knowing where to find the presentation on "hidden gems" among TI calculators. 10/10/2020 20:57:55 PM Marc Staps: Would have expected the 39gs on the list. Something happened in terms of sales here as still now in 2020 they can be bought for less than €15 on AliExpress. Which is unusual. 10/10/2020 20:58:19 PM Edward Shore: My HP 33S kept turning on and I had to keep replacing batteries. 10/10/2020 20:58:34 PM Stefan Wolfrum: No mentioning of the 300s, indeed ... puzzling ... 10/10/2020 20:58:46 PM Matthias Wehrli: What a lovely toppic. Thanks a lot to you guys! 10/10/2020 20:58:48 PM Jim Horn: Wlodek and Gene - thank you, that was great! 10/10/2020 20:59:04 PM Tom Mullikin: Good topic. That was fun. 10/10/2020 20:59:04 PM Dan Johnson: A well-earned distinction! 10/10/2020 20:59:09 PM John Struthers: Top show of the day .... 10/10/2020 20:59:15 PM Edward Shore: Thank you Wlodek and Gene! 10/10/2020 20:59:37 PM Bruce: Ugly; fugly; ... 10/10/2020 20:59:42 PM martin macrae: gold 10/10/2020 21:00:07 PM Edward Shore: I have exactly zero Quick Calcs. That is zero in any base. 10/10/2020 21:03:19 PM Bob Prosperi: Automated Backup/Update/Restore is lovely! 10/10/2020 21:04:08 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Oh, is it Windows-only? 😳 10/10/2020 21:04:40 PM martin macrae: iOS? 10/10/2020 21:05:40 PM Will Marchant: MacOS also, please! 10/10/2020 21:05:58 PM HPCC: YouTube request for Linux as well 10/10/2020 21:06:07 PM HPCC: I vote for macOS 10/10/2020 21:06:12 PM njr: MacOS would be great 10/10/2020 21:06:26 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Yes, macOS, please!! 10/10/2020 21:06:31 PM Bob Prosperi: Now, it's Windows only, but the plan is to eventually add other clients, so MacOS, posisbly others... 10/10/2020 21:06:42 PM Edward Shore: I have Windows but I will also vote for MacOS and Linux, the more the merrier! 10/10/2020 21:06:43 PM njr: excellent 10/10/2020 21:06:44 PM Marc Staps: Next evolution is use of Bluetooth for SwissMicros. Really makes sense for cross compatibility, power efficiency with data transfer etc 10/10/2020 21:07:11 PM Stefan Wolfrum: But please a *native* macOS app, no weird GUI layer to make it "portable". Pretty pleeeze! 10/10/2020 21:07:17 PM Philippe Lasnier: Write the program using Qt? That'd be cross-platform. 10/10/2020 21:07:51 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Ugh – Qt! 🤮 10/10/2020 21:08:21 PM Philippe Lasnier: :-D. Simplifies porting! 10/10/2020 21:08:22 PM Bob Prosperi: Now, it's .NET, but wth eventually portable in mind 10/10/2020 21:09:13 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Qt was invented 25 years ago! Imagine! 10/10/2020 21:09:15 PM Ray Rischpater: With .NET, Xamarin for Linux and macOS is possible, I think. Good choice! 10/10/2020 21:09:33 PM Edward Shore: I could see the next generation of calculators with Bluetooth (as soon as the education industry could be convinced) 10/10/2020 21:09:44 PM Bob Prosperi: That's exactly why he chose that. 10/10/2020 21:09:53 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Ugh – .NET! Microsoft crap! 😂 10/10/2020 21:10:11 PM Philippe Lasnier: "Qt.. 25 years ago" - so? C is from the '70s! 10/10/2020 21:10:27 PM Bob Prosperi: BT requires a quite different chipset, adding cost and complexity, so not in the plans, at least for now 10/10/2020 21:10:29 PM HPCC: Surely Bluetooth is going to have the same issues with exam boards as IR? 10/10/2020 21:10:41 PM Stefan Wolfrum: That's why smart folks nowadays use Swift! 😉 😋 10/10/2020 21:10:41 PM Dan Johnson: That could make a handheld calculator more of an extension of the computer: screen and numeric results direct to paste buffer, for example. 10/10/2020 21:12:47 PM Will Marchant: Can you run the program inside DMconnect or do you have to download to a calculator to debug? 10/10/2020 21:13:16 PM Bob Prosperi: No, cannot execute programs in DMCOnnect 10/10/2020 21:13:42 PM Will Marchant: Not that I'm accusing anyone here of writing code that requires debugging! 8) 10/10/2020 21:14:10 PM Roger Hill: Gene and Wlodek: Great presentation! I hadn't heard of a lot of them; maybe just as well! 10/10/2020 21:14:19 PM Bob Prosperi: Nah, that's the most discussed topic which never is really needed... 10/10/2020 21:16:11 PM Marc Staps: Double shot moulded keys (so small calculator keys) and BT connection to a laptop, desktop or mobile device. Mechanical keyboards are popular so this could be a niche that might gain enough business to be profitable. 10/10/2020 21:16:31 PM gene wright: Information requested... but if you want to watch any of these... please do it later! 10/10/2020 21:16:45 PM gene wright: HHC 2012: These are a Few of My Favorite Things – non-HP non-TI favorites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXQBV5h_SxE HHC 2013: The Early HP Omnibook Laptops, Show and Tell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwf7GCO7I6Y HHC 2015: TI vs. HP and Fast Mode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIN2y-SnA6c HHC 2016: In Praise of the SR-56 Calculator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDtWB5ebssw&t=1178s HHC 2017: Don’t Make Me Wait - how do waiting lines work ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPJdAvQpsGc HHC 2017: Commodore Scientific Calculators https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t55vJDNbHDA&t=1177s HHC 2018: Unisonic Calculators https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bffQ51iNJI HHC 2018: Old Calculator Ads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FME-zyncpWA HHC 2019: The Financial Calculators (via Skype) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMoXl9_nJjA HHC 2012: These are a Few of My Favorite Things – non-HP non-TI favorites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXQBV5h_SxE 10/10/2020 21:17:03 PM gene wright: sorry for all that! 10/10/2020 21:17:17 PM Dan Johnson: @Gene: thank you!! 10/10/2020 21:17:30 PM Edward Shore: @Gene Many thanks! 10/10/2020 21:18:47 PM Will Marchant: Amazing effort, Godwin! Thanks for sharing! 10/10/2020 21:19:13 PM HPCC: YouTube comment: put it on github and let the community branch it 10/10/2020 21:19:40 PM HPCC: (fork it) 10/10/2020 21:22:29 PM Edward Shore: Looks promising! Great presentation Godwin! 10/10/2020 21:23:02 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Wow, Godwin! You surely thought about all the bells and whistles one can think of for such a program! Congrats! Awesome! 10/10/2020 21:23:17 PM martin macrae: looks good, is real-time running of calc feasble? 10/10/2020 21:24:04 PM gene wright: great stuff Godwin! 10/10/2020 21:25:54 PM Philippe Lasnier: I suggested that earlier! 10/10/2020 21:26:19 PM Philippe Lasnier: Qt that is. Version 6.x is coming up :-). 10/10/2020 21:27:07 PM Bob Prosperi: DMConnect will likely never connect with 41X, there are some basic things that are available in 41X 10/10/2020 21:28:28 PM Sylvain Cote: Introducing .NET Multi-platform App UI 10/10/2020 21:28:29 PM Sylvain Cote: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/introducing-net-multi-platform-app-ui/ 10/10/2020 21:28:40 PM Philippe Lasnier: Yes, .NET (community-developed) is coming for non-Windows. It might be a while before it's stable though? 10/10/2020 21:28:42 PM Sylvain Cote: https://github.com/dotnet/maui/wiki/Roadmap 10/10/2020 21:30:04 PM Philippe Lasnier: Ooh, not the same thing. Microsoft's one doesn't appear to support Linux. 10/10/2020 21:30:14 PM Godwin Stewart: Thanks to all for the feedback! 10/10/2020 21:31:24 PM Godwin Stewart: @Wlodek -- no idea what the apparatus is, I'm afraid. It's just a photo that we licensed and use for some communications. 10/10/2020 21:31:47 PM Marc Staps: This laser pointer looks like a tiny fly. So I was briefly hitting my screen 🤣 10/10/2020 21:32:29 PM Bob Prosperi: Nice work Godwin, good thorough coverage of all the pieces in DMC, whetting folks' appetites 10/10/2020 21:32:43 PM Philippe Lasnier: Yep - +1 10/10/2020 21:33:16 PM Godwin Stewart: Time to grab a glass (or bottle) of wine :D 10/10/2020 21:35:11 PM gene wright: Great picture Will 10/10/2020 21:38:37 PM HPCC: Note to self: do not set off the rocket :-) 10/10/2020 21:38:58 PM Bruce: Do not look in exhaust nozzle while setting rocket off! 10/10/2020 21:39:18 PM HPCC: What is the hat for? 10/10/2020 21:39:55 PM Bruce: The hat is to hide his face when using the TI 10/10/2020 21:40:23 PM Philippe Lasnier: Still a piece of history though - I've got one ;-) 10/10/2020 21:41:02 PM HPCC: A hat? 10/10/2020 21:41:19 PM Philippe Lasnier: No, a TI programmer. 10/10/2020 21:41:24 PM HPCC: ;-) 10/10/2020 21:41:25 PM Philippe Lasnier: I've got hats too. 10/10/2020 21:41:54 PM Edward Shore: My next calculator might be a DM16/HP16C. 10/10/2020 21:42:07 PM Walter Bonin: no doubt 10/10/2020 21:42:18 PM Godwin Stewart: My first SwissMicros was actually a DM16L 10/10/2020 21:42:42 PM Walter Bonin: mine as well 10/10/2020 21:43:38 PM Philippe Lasnier: HP-16Cs are awesome! I've got, er, a few! 10/10/2020 21:44:13 PM Godwin Stewart: I used one (HP-16C or DM16L) quite a bit while developing some parts of DMConnect. 10/10/2020 21:44:15 PM Dan Johnson: 2 16Cs here and two TI Programmers (LEDs, not the LCD version) 10/10/2020 21:45:02 PM Edward Shore: I have a Casio DM100, but not a TI Programmer 10/10/2020 21:45:13 PM njr: HP-16C is a classic HP design. 10/10/2020 21:45:24 PM Philippe Lasnier: Oh my, I've got 6 HP-16Cs. I'd forgotten. Oh, and two DM16 calcs :-D 10/10/2020 21:45:31 PM Dan Johnson: Greedy! 10/10/2020 21:45:52 PM Philippe Lasnier: Love them. Might re-home a few though. 10/10/2020 21:45:58 PM Godwin Stewart: Yeah, who needs 6x HP-16C? (says the ownerr of 13x HP 50g) 10/10/2020 21:45:59 PM Edward Shore: Nice, Will! 10/10/2020 21:46:04 PM Walter Bonin: Now I've got everything in my WP34S ... 10/10/2020 21:46:58 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Speaking of which, Walter ... a WP 34S talk would have been nice, too! :-) 10/10/2020 21:46:59 PM Walter Bonin: ... and in my WP43S in future. 10/10/2020 21:47:10 PM Bob Prosperi: Cool stuff Will, thanks! When you're in Kwajalein, be careful, much more dengerous things fall there too. 10/10/2020 21:47:18 PM Stefan Wolfrum: I meant, a WP 43S talk! 10/10/2020 21:47:20 PM Will Marchant: https://www.ssl.berkeley.edu/~marchant https://www.nasa.gov/icon https://icon.ssl.berkeley.edu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_launch_to_orbit 10/10/2020 21:47:39 PM gene wright: Much better Martin! Gold shirt ! 10/10/2020 21:47:49 PM Marc Staps: Does the DM16 need to be certified to be used near the rocket? In terms of emissions etc. ? 10/10/2020 21:48:44 PM Walter Bonin: Interesting stuff, Will! 10/10/2020 21:49:04 PM Godwin Stewart: Capt. Martin! 10/10/2020 21:50:15 PM Bob Prosperi: 2 .zip files with lots of mostyt commonly used .mod files is here: https://technical.swissmicros.com/dm41x/fat/ 10/10/2020 21:51:25 PM Bob Prosperi: The V41 Source .zip file contains another huge amount of .mod files in the \mod folder: https://hp.giesselink.com/V41/V41R9D-Source.zip 10/10/2020 21:51:29 PM HPCC: Ok. I've got to go there to see Discovery! 10/10/2020 21:53:27 PM Dan Johnson: They have an SR-71 Blackbird there, too. It's an awesome museum. 10/10/2020 21:55:31 PM Walter Bonin: Next to Tucson? 10/10/2020 21:56:12 PM Bob Prosperi: No, near Tucson is the Pima Air Museum 10/10/2020 21:56:15 PM Dan Johnson: The museum? Udvar-Hazy near Dulles, Virginia. 10/10/2020 21:56:56 PM Dan Johnson: It's an extension of the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum in downtown DC. 10/10/2020 21:57:24 PM Roger Hill: Willl: Very interesting! 10/10/2020 21:57:37 PM Walter Bonin: In Pima they show an SR-71 as well IIRC 10/10/2020 21:58:18 PM Bob Prosperi: Also, the "Boneyard" is near Tucson, in Davis Monthan Air Force Base, where all US military aircraft are retired. 10/10/2020 21:58:42 PM Bob Prosperi: Yes, there is an SR-71 there. 10/10/2020 21:58:56 PM Stefan Wolfrum: SR-71 ... is that an old TI calculator? 😂 10/10/2020 21:59:12 PM Godwin Stewart: Far too fast to be a TI :D 10/10/2020 21:59:25 PM Bob Prosperi: Also there is an A12 (the CIA predecessorr to the SR-71) in Manhattan on the USS Intrepid Aircraft Carrier 10/10/2020 21:59:40 PM Edward Shore: Thank you Will! 10/10/2020 21:59:54 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Great talk, Will! Thank you! 10/10/2020 22:00:04 PM Dan Johnson: Very cool having a presentation of an HP (designed) calculator "living the life". 10/10/2020 22:00:11 PM Marc Staps: Thank you Will. Very interesting to hear all of this. 10/10/2020 22:03:28 PM Tom Mullikin: Enjoyed this, but gotta sign off now. Good to see COVID didn't kill off HP Calculator enthusiasm. 10/10/2020 22:04:08 PM Manfred S. Carl: Thank you very much for the experience from Hamburg Germany! 10/10/2020 22:04:25 PM Will Marchant: Yeah, I love the HP-16C and really like that the DM16s area available for those of us that don't want to risk heritage hardware. 10/10/2020 22:05:01 PM Walter Bonin: Thanks for the first such conference I could participate! 10/10/2020 22:06:29 PM Walter Bonin: And if anybody has some spare time to devote to the 43S feel free to speak up (i.e. send us a message). d:-) 10/10/2020 22:06:35 PM Will Marchant: I joined yesterday. 10/10/2020 22:07:05 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Mailed in my HPCC application a couple of minutes ago! ;-) 10/10/2020 22:07:49 PM Will Marchant: Thanks for a great conference! Lots of good stuff... 10/10/2020 22:07:52 PM Dan Johnson: I'd like to thank HPCC and all the others who have carried the torch these many years. I happened to catch Richard Nelson's "RIP HP Calculators" presentation from last year's conference which sent me looking and finding this conference just in time. I see the reports of its demise have been exaggerated! Thank you so much for putting it on! 10/10/2020 22:08:02 PM Ray Rischpater: Thanks, all! This was great!! Glad I could make it. 10/10/2020 22:08:30 PM Philippe Lasnier: Great stuff - thanks to all the speakers. 10/10/2020 22:08:43 PM njr: Excellent Conference, Thank you to all presenters. 10/10/2020 22:08:47 PM Jan Terstegge: Thank you, very interesting presentations! 10/10/2020 22:08:52 PM Matthias Wehrli: A big THANKS A LOT from Allschwil as well! 10/10/2020 22:09:09 PM Roger Hill: Thanks to all of you for a fun meeting! 10/10/2020 22:09:31 PM Philippe Lasnier: Quick poll: where is everyone? I'm in Taunton, Somerset, UK. 10/10/2020 22:09:33 PM Stefan Wolfrum: What a great event! Thanks so much that I could take part and to all the speakers as well! Can we please have more of these? More often, not just once a year? 🙂 10/10/2020 22:09:37 PM Will Marchant: Yes, great work, Organizers! 10/10/2020 22:09:49 PM Olivier: Thank you from Seattle, WA 10/10/2020 22:10:07 PM Jim Horn: Thank you all - it has been terrific being able to enjoy the conferences through the years, this one included! 10/10/2020 22:10:09 PM Eric Rechlin: Thanks, HPCC, from Houston, TX, USA 10/10/2020 22:10:35 PM Jonathan Cameron: Thanks from Pasadena, California 10/10/2020 22:10:51 PM David Hayden: thank you from Dave and Scottie great! 10/10/2020 22:10:53 PM Bruce Bergman: Thank you and goodbye from San Diego, California! 10/10/2020 22:10:54 PM Edward Shore: Thank you from Azusa, California 10/10/2020 22:11:05 PM Frank Kingswood: Thanks again to Mark for all your work 10/10/2020 22:11:10 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Good night from Bonn, Germany! 👋 10/10/2020 22:11:25 PM Manfred S. Carl: I woul love to tour! 10/10/2020 22:11:46 PM Matthias Wehrli: Wow my brain is going crazy from this long english talk. German wouldn't be an altervative for you guys =;-) ? Greetings from Allschwil, Switzerland 10/10/2020 22:12:24 PM Wlodek M-J: Ja, Matthias, wir koennen es tun in Deutsch! 10/10/2020 22:12:43 PM Jim Horn: Withoug needing travel, hotel, etc there's a lot to say for a virtual conference. I do miss the face to face chats, meals out, door prizes, etc., though. Perhaps we can work on adding some equivalents as time goes on. 10/10/2020 22:12:46 PM Marc Staps: Thanks to you all from Tilburg, The Netherlands 10/10/2020 22:13:16 PM Wlodek M-J: Thanks Marc. Nice to see you after several years. 10/10/2020 22:13:18 PM Dejan Ristanovic: This was great, we should do this more often 10/10/2020 22:13:45 PM Jim Horn: 1979 10/10/2020 22:15:02 PM Jim Horn: Wlodek's HP-4.9C from the 2000 HHC might be a candidate. 10/10/2020 22:17:37 PM Will Marchant: I need to drop off now. Thanks for a great conference, Everyone! 10/10/2020 22:19:01 PM Wlodek M-J: Hi Jim, I wanted to display the HPCC-4.9C, but it is not an HP calculator - just a spoof of the HP49G for exactly the reasons discussed by Gene. 10/10/2020 22:19:19 PM Sylvain Cote: www.hhcworld.com/files/hhc2020/sc-hpcc2020-p.pdf 10/10/2020 22:19:44 PM Stefan Wolfrum: Gotta run, too. Membership application is sent in. 😉 Stay healthy you guys!! All the best and thanks again for a great event! Good night! 10/10/2020 22:20:15 PM Marc Staps: Wlodek's HP-4.9C now on camera 10/10/2020 22:20:30 PM Marc Staps: NIB 10/10/2020 22:20:35 PM Wlodek M-J: Thank you Marc! 10/10/2020 22:20:55 PM Philippe Lasnier: I can't see it!! 10/10/2020 22:21:04 PM Jim Horn: I still have mine, Wlodek - thank you! 10/10/2020 22:24:30 PM mpark: It's been fun, but time to bounce. Many thanks to our hosts! Until next time. 10/10/2020 22:25:15 PM njr: Until next time, best wishes. 10/10/2020 22:25:33 PM Olivier: Time to leave now. 10/10/2020 22:25:34 PM Marc Staps: Video is gone here too 10/10/2020 22:25:47 PM Edward Shore: Webex took out the video 10/10/2020 22:25:50 PM Wlodek M-J to HPCC: Jim, Joe has not been in touch, as you probably know, he said he was going to pull back from HHC meetings. He _was_ invited. 10/10/2020 22:25:54 PM Jonathan Cameron: Until the next time! 10/10/2020 22:25:55 PM Olivier: Thanks again from Seattle, Washington, U.S.A. 10/10/2020 22:26:11 PM Wlodek M-J: Thanks - merci! 10/10/2020 22:27:53 PM Joey Shepard: Thanks everyone! See you next time 10/10/2020 22:28:17 PM Wlodek M-J: Joe did come to one of our HPCC meetings - 15 years ago, I believe. He even said Mass for us. 10/10/2020 22:28:46 PM Jan Terstegge: Great conference! 10/10/2020 22:30:51 PM Manfred S. Carl: Video is back in Hamburg Germany! 10/10/2020 22:41:29 PM Guenter Schink: bye now 10/10/2020 22:41:43 PM Edward Shore: Take care Guenter! 10/10/2020 22:42:20 PM Jim Horn: Best to all from Washington state. See you at the next event! X<>Y PPC 1402 10/10/2020 22:42:22 PM Jim Wild: Thank you all for a very interesting conference! See you next time. 10/10/2020 22:42:40 PM Edward Shore: Take care Jim and Jim! 10/10/2020 22:43:17 PM Philippe Lasnier: Right, Webex is playing up again. I'll be off rather than struggle on. Thanks all. 10/10/2020 22:43:44 PM Craig Bladow: It was a wonderful day, good to see HHC friends and new faces. Cheers! 10/10/2020 22:44:03 PM Dan Johnson: Thank you again for doing this, and I'm so grateful I stumbled onto it and was able to join. Until next time...! 10/10/2020 22:52:45 PM Edward Shore: brb 10/10/2020 23:07:55 PM David Hayden: Gotta go. See you all soon!